Friday, October 3, 2008

The Whole Truth and Nothing But

Yesterday I was SOOOO tired and emotionally drained that I didn't get to updating on the status of Beau and the rest of my day. (Wow. Typing his real name is weird for me... but at this point, I have no need to 'protect' him- since that link already told you his name.)

So. The whole story. Settle in- it's a doozy. I mean, I feel like part of some bad episode of Desperate Housewives! It almost doesn't seem real.

You already know he robbed the banks in Kelowna. When he left, he told me he had 'seen things he shouldn't have in Kelowna'. I asked him if he hurt anyone, but he said no. Which is true. He never has, and I highly doubt he ever will. As he got into his stolen car (don't even start me on this one-- ) my heart took a picture. I can still see him turn back to me with his smile and laugh in reply to my telling him not to keep running and him saying, "but, it wouldn't be my life otherwise, Debbi". Interestingly, I had a thought come to me loud and clear that THAT 'heart-photo' was the last time I'd see him.

When his mother told me about the warrant on Wednesday morning, it was a HUGE shock to me. I was surprised, and called her on the phone, where the two of us matched information and made sense of what we knew. We vowed to call each other if either of us knew anything further or if he contacted us. I contacted the authorities in Kelowna to advise them what I knew. And I told Chris- I had fear that he'd be angry with me for putting us in that situation. But Chris was supportive-- he knew I was just helping a friend and that NIETHER of us knew of the robberies. He had been around Beau enough to know that he wasn't a bad guy. Chris offered to come over to be with me, but I told him I was okay.

I had to get the kids from school and make lunch and get the kids down for naps.

Not more than 1/2 hour later, he updated his Facebook status. Which is confusing-- he NEVER updates his status, he's NEVER on Facebook. And the fact that he got to a computer was surprising. His status read: Beau is sorry it had to end this way.

In reading that, my heart sank to the floor.

I called his family in sobs, and advised them of the update. I was not okay- I was devasted. I have known Beau for 14 years. I have loved him for 13 of those. And we have more history than some married couples. And calling his family to tell them, with the silence on the other end of the line upon doing so-- I was breaking inside. My pain doesn't begin to cover theirs, but I could feel it even a province away.

We have frantically tried calling his cell, messaging him through facebook... ANYTHING.

Chris called a few times to check on me. It was super sweet of him, and I knew he was genuinely concerned. Ten minutes after telling Beau's parents about the status, the doorbell rang. I saw three plain-clothed police officers at the door, which I opened, tears streaming down my face. I invited them in before they even got a chance to introduce themselves, and told them I was expecting them. How sweet it was to find cookies on my doorstep, though. I have great friends, and wonderful visiting teachers who follow promptings to drop off cookies 'just because'.

They came and sat down, I offered them cookies, and we talked. I told them everything I knew. And they told me everything THEY found out about me!!! (Side note-- cops can find out a LOT about you in a very short time-- they sure knew lots about me. Kinda freeked me out- good thing I had nothing to hide!~)

Then I realized they weren't here to talk to me about Kelowna. In the course of the few hours he was gone for 'some air', Beau had allegedly robbed banks here in Calgary. Which is why he left so abruptly as well-- he knew he was putting us in danger and didn't want that. In spite of the drugs clouding his judgement, he still didn't want to harm anyone. All the little things he said to me when he left were making more and more sense, and breaking my heart the more I realized.

So, they asked me what he was wearing when he left. And I realized he was wearing my sweatpants. They then showed me pictures of him from the bank robberies here in Calgary, where he's WEARING MY PANTS!! yah. nice. I invited them to look in his bedroom (since I had yet to go down there to clean up since he left) where they found the pants. Sucky-- they took them. (I loved those sweatpants!!! LOL )

They also searched through my garbages while I wrote down my statement with very shaky hands and identified him on a few more photos of the robberies in Kelowna.

Two hours or so later, they left. They were kind, and I'm glad that I live something of a life where they don't suspect me of being a knowledgable part of 'aiding a fugitive'. To anonymous from the other day--- I don't blame you for saying I'd never run a dayhome again. If I had known what I know now, I would NEVER have had him stay here! I did everything in my power (including searching his bags) to ensure the safety of my home. And he was NOT around ANY of the dayhome children-- for 2 days he stayed in the basement and I brought food down to him. All I knew I was doing was helping a friend get over a very serious sickness. And you and I would probably do that again. I would have turned him in myself if I knew about any of that- so he knew not to put me in that position. I would have. And I will still. So you're right in how you feel-- I feel the exact same way.

I called Beau's family to advise them of the Calgary robberies, knowing they'd rather hear from me than the news again.

Everytime the phone rang, my stomach lept. I feared the phone call from his family, and when they actually called later that night, I was shaking as I answered the phone. His father was just checking in, and we talked about the day and what we knew again.

Dinner time, we sat down with the kids and had a big talk about drugs. We talked about how to say no, and how they hurt our bodies. It was a very productive talk-- the kids had first-hand knowledge about what it would do to their bodies since they had seen Beau's eyes and face and knew something wasn't 'the same'. Children are perceptive, and we wanted to ensure that any memory of Beau's actions and physical features were used for a teaching tool. And I am thankful for the lesson-- the kids were receptive and asked lots of good questions. Now we're going to continue this lesson in the music of "Safety Kids". (which can be purchased online, but thankfully my mother can lend it to us)

And that was it. But my crappy day continued, as I had to re-sign some of the divorce papers. Which just breaks my heart a little more. Right now divorcing Chris is not something I look forward to. I know there's stages, but right now, we're so happy to be together. Aware of the things that need to change and the things we did wrong. We're going on a date tonight- which I really need. Just to enjoy him and be away from everything. And go dancing-- and we know how much I love that. That there is my therapy!

I slept in Chris' arms that night. Cried myself to sleep while he held me and told me it'd be okay. ANd about every hour, the doorbell would ring. Or there would be a knock at the door. I would sit STRAIGHT UP to listen for the next knock. And Chris would tell me I dreamed it and to go back to sleep, rubbing my back or moving the hair from my face. It was the hardest thing- always thinking that Beau was knocking at my door, needing me to let him in only to find he wasn't there. I would cry again, and fall asleep until the next time I SWORE someone was at the door. And that cycle of my night continued until morning.

There was no news yesterday. We're (Beau's family and I) all worried about him-- hoping to hear ANYTHING. No news, in this case, is bad news. I think the not-knowing is harder than the possible outcomes of the cops catching him or, in the worst case, finding his body. I would rather just know.

I took off, out of the house yesterday morning, just to stay awake and to avoid being called. The police called, and asked if I would identify more photos. I'm hoping that the photos are recent-- that maybe he robbed a bank in Saskachewan or something-- which would tell us at least he's alive. I know that's a horrible thing to hope-- but it's better news than the alternative.

And amazingly, the missionaries showed up yesterday. For no reason they could itterate, but just because they 'felt like it'. I was reminded of the last time I had a reallllllly crappy day. Inspired, I believe. They sat and talked with me for a while, and they're coming back today to do more shirt-burning. That's always fun. Marshmallows.. mmmmm.

I also had a few relatives and friends and family members express their love for me. Which is uplifting to my heart. Some called because they knew of this situation, and some called because "I was on their mind". Again, I am thankful for people listening to the still, small voice and contacting me.

And the police officer just called again- he's on his way over. So I should put on a bra and maybe run a brush through my hair!

But there's the latest. And why I didn't post yesterday.

30 comments:

Carla McDaniel said...

thanks for letting me in yesterday...enjoyed our visit. keep your chin up!!
hugs, hugs and more hugs

Debbie Jo said...

Oh Debbi - I have an explosion of feelings here, and I can't seem to express them. I'm so sorry that you had to experience that. I will pray for Beau and his and your family. I wished I had something to drop off for you last night...I had a baby at your doorstep for about 10 minutes...but we left.

Anonymous said...

While I am sure you do know this man better than they do, I would imagine the people & employees IN these banks he's robbing do NOT feel the same as you about him "never hurting anyone".

He has terrorized people who may never be the same. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve some sympathy for the situation he finds himself in, but try to remember who the REAL victims are here.

Erin said...

My heart is aching for you. I hope they find your friend okay.
Take comfort in the fact that you were the best kind of friend you could've been - & probably the nicest he's been treated in a long time.
You have a truly good heart... be careful with it.

Anonymous said...

Anon #2 agreeing wholeheartedly with Anon #1...being a teller in a bank robbery is a horrible experience that changes your life, and may even lead you to seek counseling and another job. With family members in the banking industry, I can only say that he is not to be trusted not to hurt someone, in his drugged up state. He has robbed many banks just lately, and the money is likely being spent on drugs, and those drugged up fools can very well be dangerous. I think you need to rethink your judgment in allowing a druggie into your house with the day home children and your own little ones. It was totally unrealistic of you to think you could make a difference in cleaning him up even without knowing he was a bank robber. I know you think you love him - but I think you love who he was - in an idealistic way. You knew he was a previous con, and thought he had completely changed his life around. One look at him at your door told you he had not. I care for you and your safety and the safety of those in your care. Please, be introspective and consider that you made a mistake - not that you would take someone else in (or him again) should they appear "sick" at your door. Use some discretion girl! I do send my best wishes to you, as you face this unknown with his fate - knowing you do indeed care for this person from your past - but you have now become entangled in a mess that is one you should not have needed to been involved in. I pray he is caught before more harm becomes him or those he meets - stealing cars and robbing banks.

Nikki said...

Holy Hanna...you do live an exciting life! I'm so happy you had someone to hold you and comfort you through the heartache and worry of Beau's choices.

The Bullknitter said...

Hang in there.

Anonymous said...

The two men in your life are one who is addicted to drugs and robs banks and one who has cheated on you. Yet you keep defending them and saying they are "not bad people"...so what IS your definition of a "bad" person then?? Time to raise the bar a little for yourself, don't you think? You deserve WAY better than this.

Sorry but I'm not going to be one of those people who is all hugs and love and so sad for you, which is probably why you write this blog so that you can get someone to make you feel better about what you have done, but ya know what? You have really screwed up here and I hope you realize it! I hope this has been a wake-up call for you to re-evaluate your decisions.

Quit hanging onto the past to try and fill the void you are feeling now. Its a new day.

Anonymous said...

Anon #2 again! I have to second the thought that you have a distorted idea of what "bad" means. Bad behaviour is robbing banks and cheating on your wife! These two men have been bad for you, and are continuing to "mess" with your head. I really do wonder what you learned as a child to expect from men in your life, and what morals you were taught in your church and home. And what you are now by example teaching your children. You mention teaching others how to treat you - well in my books, you are continuing to teach your children that these types of men are OK. And you are getting mired deeper and deeper in living a life that you should not. Have some self respect, and get some distance from the past. Make a future for yourself and your children starting with making some good choices.

Unknown said...

Debbi my thoughts are directed for you but mostly towards what has already been said.

I feel awful that you had to experience what you did and the heartache that you have gone through recently. It's been stated that you didn't know that he had robbed any banks prior to you allowing Beau into your home. You were being a friend.

Beau has always been such an important individual in your life. After knowing him and his family, I realize that he is a really special person who needs as much love as he can have. You were the person he trusted. You were the one who would visit him in prison. You were the one he could call. You were a friend to him; something that I imagine he doesn't get too often.

The same goes with Chris. You fell in love with a wonderful man who makes you feel loved. He is security to you, he knows you. He is a great father to your children and you connect with him on levels no one else can understand.

The world is full of "bad" people but that's because we are mortal and imperfect. Every single person on this earth makes mistakes. Who are we to judge the 'bad'ness of them? YOU, Debbi, know who Beau and Chris *really* are as individuals. Despite their mistakes and perhaps wrong choices, you do not let that obstruct your overall view of them because you have known them for such a long time.

You are a tremendous friend--even to that of reporting and identifying to help him now. The fact that you are so concerned and worried about his state and whereabouts is exemplary. We can all learn about true friendship from your actions. It's admirable.

Anonymous said...

This is directed to Marci...I do feel that Debbi knew that Beau was on drugs when she let him into her home. The fact that she checked his suitcase tells she was more than suspicious of his "sickness". That she let him into her home, had him in her basement was especially poor judgment given that she runs a day home with other people's children in her care. That she was not suspicious that he was up to no good when he went out for air, tells that she is not facing reality. At the very least, he was out to find drugs. We now know he was out for robbery purposes. No, she did not know he was a robber - she did know his history, and she knew he had been using... and yet she let him in her home. That she thinks he left to save her from harm shows added innocence - he left to flee Calgary and the police ! While Chris has wronged her, it is understandable that she has strong ties to him... she loves him, despite his straying - it is HE who wishes not to be married. I do find it strange that you all are supporting her decision to harbor a druggie while having children in her care. Support her while she is low, and love her - but it would do more good for those in her life to offer her sound advice rather than platitudes praising her for being loving and helpful, when indeed she put others at risk. At this time in her life, when she is struggling, one would think that her family might be offering sage advice instead of trying to rationalize and excuse her mistake in trusting those unworthy of her trust or continuing friendship. Beau is a changed person since she went to school with him... and not for the better. Chris continues to see other women - but that is condoned as well. I just don't get the acceptance from you and think that it would be more helpful to tell her you care for her, but to advise her in a more realistic and wholesome way.

Anonymous said...

Holy Crap!! Seriously anonymous??? Do you really think that every detail of the story is blogged? We ALL recognize that Beau has made bad choices, some have probably traumatized employees more than we can understand. No one is minimizing that. Yes Debbi knew Beau had fallen off the wagon, what you don't understand is the years of history they have together. It's not like she hasn't seen him since school and they are just reconnecting now. They have helped each other throughout the years. Maybe you need to read the story of the good samaritan?!?! If you had a close friend show up on your doorstep in dire need, would you really turn your back on him?
I would question your morals if you could!

With the whole Chris comments? Until you walk in those shoes you have no right to determine that he is a bad person. He actually is a great guy, a great father and he has made some pretty sucky choices. That does NOT make him a bad guy. What kind of mother would you be if you taught your children that once you made a mistake you become "a bad guy"? And who are all these other woman that he is still seeing?

Debbi isn't looking looking for sympathy from anyone. She is very independant and an amazing woman and mother. Who for the record does also watch my children.

It is always sad to watch someone you love make such bad life altering decisions. That is what we are sympathizing with. She had the courage to call the police and has met with them several times. We all hope he gets found (caught) for everyones sake.

Anonymous said...

Well Cyn, ....My priorities are my children and the children I may have in my home. I would not presume to endanger them by taking in anyone who is under the influence of drugs. And yes, I know they had history and that she visited him in jail etc. and believed he had turned his life around. If you question my morals by thinking that my choice not to let a friend in my home with all the children there, just because he was under the influence of drugs - then I totally give up. That you think that your children were safe is deplorable. However, I now realize that Debbi is surrounded by those of you who believe that those who see things from a different point of view have no morals. Those of us who put the child first and the safety of the home first, are immoral. So be it. I will not believe that for a minute. Debbi knew he was high, knew he was sick, and should have none she was not equipped to change his life around. IF she had not phoned the police she well could be charged with aiding and abetting - and interfering with justice being served. She could land up being an accessory after the fact - and would have to prove her innocence in a court. To phone and give them the information (not turn him in) should not have taken courage, but merely the knowledge that it was the right thing to do. You may well think that I should be able to name the women Chris is seeing, but you know that he has been dating while they are separated. Debbi has stated this in her blog. I do not think it is all written in the blog. Enough is to make a judgment from what I read. Believe me, you will not have any other comments from me - you all can try to counsel her and give her support in your own "loving" fashion. I too love Debbi, but she is making foolish choices and making excuses and accusing others of immorality is simply not fair. I am out of all this discussion - common sense and logic do not seem to matter to you all. You go on having your children looked after by her - and you go on condoning her behavior and you go on thinking that knowing someone for years entitles them to using your home as a base for robbing banks and doing drugs. That it is OK for your husband to cheat on you, and abuse you mentally for years, and that is acceptable and not bad behavior. That he is a good father despite the fact he demeans their mother - must say that you have a funny way of stating that one mistake (and I doubt that either Beau or Chris made one mistake) makes a person bad. No one said that. Repeated criminal activity makes a person judged as having bad behavior. Drinking to all hours, making out with women, having an affair with ones friend, makes a persons behavior be judged as bad behavior. I believe in teaching MY children that one is responsible for one's behavior, that one does unto others as you would have done to you, and that morals are meant to be lived not just spoken about in abstract terms. I find it remarkable that you can defend Debbi's actions as well out of her love for Beau. Where were her priorities? I am out of this conversation - and out of the discussion. It is a hopeless case with people surrounding Debbi with pie in the sky attitudes. But if that is what you feel love is - you go for it. I think love can tell you when you might have had a lapse in judgment, and when you might be best off to halt the hurting and start working to turn your life around for the better. To suggest that turning Beau away would mean a lack of morals is distasteful. Think what you may - I wish that you as Debbi's friends, close friends, would offer her sound advice, and not platitudes. I too wish her the best, to have loving family and friends for support - but I will not stand with you on this issue. In my books she made a mistake letting him into her home. She herself says she would not have done it knowing what she learned afterwards. I say, you do not let anyone, friend or not, into your home in a drug-induced state. Over and out for now and for all time.

Anonymous said...

I am a new "anon". I guess I would be #4?

Debbi, I know you well and love you, but I feel that I have to be "anonymous" so that I can express myself without you being so offended that you won't talk to me again. I think other "anon's" might be in the same situation as it is really time to give you some tough love I am afraid.

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement:

"Support her while she is low, and love her - but it would do more good for those in her life to offer her sound advice rather than platitudes praising her for being loving and helpful, when indeed she put others at risk."

First of all, you are lucky that is all that happened. You don't know what you are dealing with, as well as you thnk you know Beau...people on drugs will do anything for their drug and i mean ANYTHING. You are nuts to think you could have helped him even if you wanted to or felt it was the right thing to do. Beau needs a medical detox in a facility and then rehab. And I think you knew this but you helped him anyway.

Many of us are trying to figure out where your motherly instincts went in this situation. Is your "love" for Beau stronger than that of your 3 children? and of yourself? Why didn't you call the cops when he showed up with a stolen car?? That's what a TRUE friend would have done.

Beau used you, just like he has done throughout your entire relationship with him. You've helped him over and over but what has he ever done for YOU? Nothing. Used you.

You are very good about convinsing yourself you have done the right thing, or finding the good in situations even when you have screwed up, instead of just admitting you made a mistake. This bs about you using the situation to teach your children about drugs is really just that - B.S.!!! I mean, do you light the house on fire to teach your kids about fire safety? Or show them some porn to teach them about sex? These are CHILDREN and they shouldn't be exposed to this! They are already going through so much right now and it is totally, totally selfish of you to be so wrapped up in Beau's life when its your own family that needs you more than ever. You should also be concentrating on yourself right now and leaving the detoxing to the professionals.

Beau has a family too, and that is whom you should have contacted right away so that they could deal with it. Otherwise you are just enabling him. He is not your family. He is a distant friend from the past who needs way more than you could ever give him right now. He is a memory that you are trying to hang onto from your past. He is someone in a lower spot than you that maybe makes you feel a little better about yourself?

I think it is time for some deep reflection on your life and your priorities. You have 3 beautiful children. You have a great family and friends that love you so much. You have your health, your religion, and a beautiful home. You are a beautiful, smart, talented and strong woman. Once you realize that that is enough you will be happier. You are not going to find happiness in hanging onto the past. You chose to leave both Chris and Beau for good reasons. Remember those reasons and stop looking back.

Anonymous said...

I thank you for this, and although I said I would not write again, I thank you and wanted to let you know that yes, I too am someone who knows Debbi, who loves her and wants to remain anonymous to save a relationship. I pray that she will reflect on your words and know that you and I are coming from a place of love and wanting only the best for her and her children in the future. God bless you for speaking up.

Anonymous said...

I SO very much agree with whats been said by anon and agree with the statement that MANY of us are wondering where your maternal instincts went in this situation!! Bottom line--and common sense--is Beau is NOT more important than your own children and the children others are trusting you to care for! It's just a matter of the RIGHT thing to do. You can love and care about an old friend and STILL do the right thing.

Anonymous said...

Protect your kids first! You think you were never in danger? That kind of thinking is crazy.
another anonymous who cares

holymotherofgod said...

omg Deb what a terrible time. I hope Beau gets help and that you and your family (and his) can rest peacefully soon. (((hugs))) take care

Anonymous said...

Marci, my God...Debbi is a tremendous friend...to the point of endangering her kids and other peoples kids; how much better and more 'admirable' to be a 'tremendous mother', doing the best for them.
She married a 'wonderful' man? Oh yes, what a great guy. He has treated her so 'wonderfully' hasn't he? Yep, he's great...ugh like was stated, she left him for a very good reason
We can all sympathize with the heartache and emotional pain she is in, but anonymous #4 said it beautifully; every statement she made was well expressed, its her kids who need her now, no one needed to be subjected to Beau, who came to use her again, crash at her house for his robbery home base.
This isn't a guy who is making a few poor choices but so what lets love him anyway. This is a guy in deeper trouble than anything we can imagine who will do anything for the next high who is terrorizing innocent people and tramatizing their lives with his actions. It's hardly 'admirable' that Debbi sees passed that
Andi

Anonymous said...

WOW... you have lots of PERFECT friends!!!! You can't be that bad to be friends with such perfect people. Isn't perfection awesome?

Anonymous said...

OK people. While I am the first to acknowledge and even welcome the right of all the people who read this blog to comment on Debbi's words, I am feeling an overwhelming need to help us all cut through the crap and start dealing with each other with at least a modicum of honesty and respect. Honest discussion means having the courage and self-respect to put your name to your thoughts, regardless of the impact you fear it may have on a relationship. Being a good friend/relative/spouse means owning the words you choose to say out loud, and standing behind what you have expressed, whether it be out of love, fear, anger, or desperation. If those who call themselves anonymous (of any numerical order) truly believe that their opinion is valid, needed, and useful, then have enough respect for yourself, for Debbi, and the relationship you have with her, to own what you say.

Debbi puts herself on the line every time she writes an entry for this blog. Even though it is, of course, an edited version of the truth, (and that's not a criticism - just a note on the reality of blogging) she chooses every word, every tone, every detail, in an attempt to share parts of her life experience with whoever chooses to read it. She offers it as a way to explain to friends, family, concerned strangers, and ultimately herself, who she is, what she is going through, how it affects her day by day, and as a tool for sorting out and seeing in print, those things that are, for good and bad, a part of her current life. Whether you would do the same is not, in any way, a part of her thoughts. And those of you who claim to know Debbi should already realize that "sympathy votes" are so far from her agenda as to be considered ridiculous. If anything, Debbi has a difficult time accepting help and comfort from anyone in her life - she knows it, and those of us who truly know her also know it.

So if you feel the need to respond to her blog, at least have enough respect for yourself, Debbi, and your supposed relationship to be HONEST. Don't express your concerns and comments behind a veil of anonymity - this does a disservice to you, her, and all that you mean to each other. Trust that if your words are spoken with a true intent of love and concern, that she will have the ability to hear them as you truly mean them, and that her eventual reaction will be one based on careful thought, and respect for the trust you showed her in doing the hardest, yet most necessary and loving thing. Although there are many ways to be a friend, there is nothing honorable in hiding. There is nothing honorable in speaking from a position of fear, instead of abiding love and faith. Have faith that if your words are spoken from your heart, that she will take the time to hear them properly, and be able to separate how she FEELS about them, from the content and intent. If you do not trust her to do this, then you do not know Debbi, and you are not being as true a friend or family member as you are called to be.

Those who love her are the ones who are called upon to do the dirty work of living along with, and for those we claim to love. We teach, we counsel, we correct, we disagree, we challenge, and we comfort. And none of these actions work in their intended way if done anonymously. Words are powerful. So if you have something to say, say it out loud. In your outdoor voice. Say it in person. And if "in person" is too tough, or not realistic, at least sign your name to what you believe. THAT will speak volumes to Debbi, and will give your harsher words a chance to be heard. And if you are not enough of a friend or even a stranger, to do this, then say no more. Cowards are officially UNinvited from this blog.

Sheelagh said...

I hear you Kare, and want to respectfully let you know that the reasons people choose to remain anonymous are probably different in each case. Without knowing the people involved you should not be judging them. I have read all the comments and agree with those who feel that letting Beau into her home was unwise. That she put her family and other children in harm's way and allowed, albeit unknowingly, Beau to use her home as a safe base. I find that her friends are being very protective; and accusatory to those who posted anonymously - and I have to say that the majority of those who did, were not curt or rude or unloving. That you take it upon yourself to judge them, and to say they are "officially banned" from responding to the blog seems ludicrous.

As Debbi's aunt, I will own up to being one of the anonymous people who wanted to remain anonymous. If you want to put my name to those remarks I made, then consider that I responded anonymously to both Marci and Cyn, and thanked another for speaking up in a loving way. I wish more than anything that you who are her closest friends would stop thinking they are doing her a service by not facing reality. We who comment are not doing it out of spite, but out of love and concern. I hereby state my name - and fully expect that the repercussions will be unpleasant. I have to tell you Kare, you may cause a rift in a family that is not repairable.
I do wish Debbi well, and love her and her whole family. I think many of the anonymous postings were offering much saner and more loving points of view than those of the others who were bent on attacking - and I include you in that group. You may have meant well, but you came across as vicious.

Anonymous said...

Nice try chaning the subject Kare. It took you 4 long, wordy paragraphs to say that you think anonymous people should own up to their words. Well if that's your opinion, then why don't you tell Debbi and the rest of us YOUR opinion of this situation instead of going off on an unrelated tangent? Who's the real coward when you don't even address the post she made?

And you can't UN-invite people from commenting on blogs by the way. But nice try.

Anonymous said...

Dear Sheelagh,

While I am happy for you that you chose to put a name to your postings, that decision is yours, and yours alone. I will in no way be held responsible for any future rift in your family, nor would I take credit for any improved communications or future heart-to-hearts that you and Debbi may have as a result of your complete honesty. I happen to know that she respects you a great deal, and that she considers you to be a very intelligent and well-informed, loving aunt and woman. Whatever differences you may have should in no way undermine the love and familial ties that you share. And as someone that Debbi respects, you know that you can trust her to hear your words, consider them, and come to her own conclusions. You are an excellent example of what my post encourages - honest and constructive opinions, offered in the spirit of concern, and now with your identity attached, so that Debbi may consider your words in the full context of knowing you, and how you would mean them.

My post is meant to express my personal opinion that those who choose to write in reply, whether in blanket support, head-shaking judgement, or anything in-between, should at least give themselves and Debbi the respect and context of knowing where those words are coming from. At no time did I even mention anything about posts being rude, curt or unloving. I simply stated that the most loving, most difficult, and most honorable thing to do when offering counsel is to take the tough, direct road of truth. Truth offered at face value, in the whole, with your words AND identity, to give Debbi the best chance of hearing content versus attack, and to give the writer the best chance of being considered a completely forthwright, true friend, instead of an anonymous ghost who perhaps has something valuable to say, but neither the courage to stand behind their words, nor the trust or faith in Debbi to hear them as intended. I do recognize that anonymity has its benefits - it is safe, convenient, often well-intended, and at its heart, easier. But I would venture to say that none of us needs friends who choose the easy route at the toughest of times. Whether in agreement or not with Debbi's choices, a true friend tells the truth as they see it, stands firm on their own principles, and still works to find a way to common ground, even if the path is filled with rocks. Easy-road friendship is not the stuff of dreams - it is simply two people dancing around each other, trying not to collide.

You will also hopefully realize upon re-reading my post that I did not judge the content of any of the comments, whether pro or con, except to say that Debbi was not in this endeavaor for the sympathy, and that she was in no way considering "what other people would do" when writing her entries. You will notice I made no judgement on any aspect of the "tough love" posts, nor did I question the love felt for Debbi, nor the words used to express concern. I simply asked those commenting to allow their names to accompany their comments, in the spirit of doing what is most helpful to Debbi, and most honoring of her relationships.

Finally, I at no time attacked any post, or any position expressed by a post. I did not choose sides on the issues at hand. I only commented on the issue of anonymity. I passed no judgement on the content. So including me in the group of people who you say need to "face reality", and are "attacking" those who do not agree with one particular side is not only unfounded, it is presumptuous.

My final line about "cowards being officially uninvited" is meant as a clear invitation to others like you, who have loving, if hard-to-hear opinions that you feel need to be heard. You and I both know that Debbi is nothing if not straight-forward. She is a woman who tells it like it is, and does not like to beat around the bush. She will, therefore, take brutal honesty over candied pandering, even if the message is tougher to hear. But she will only be able to take in the brutal honesty in its full context and meaning if it is accompanied by the knowledge of who is delivering that message.

So I am glad that you took up the challenge to become non-anonymous! In doing so, please consider that any "repurcussions" or growth that occurs between you and Debbi will be of your own creation - yours and hers. You have taken a step into redefining your trust with each other, and when it comes to family, trust and faith in each other is good news, even if the price is high.

Anonymous said...

As for the latest "anonymous"...

- Was there really a subject to be changed here? I thought we were all offering our spontaneous thoughts, based both on Debbi's blog, and on previous comments.

- I make no apologies for the length of my post. If that's how long it takes me to voice my opinion, then that's how long it takes. Stop reading if you get bored.

- I have no need to add my opinion on Debbi's situation to this list of comments, since my opinions get voiced directly to Debbi. And not anonymously.

- Encouraging people who posted anonymously to own their words and opinions is the point of my post. Since the woman in question already knows what I think, and I didn't post anonymously, I am neither the subject of my post, nor a coward.

- Uninviting cowards was, admittedly, a fantastical and not-likely-to-be-followed request. But it was worth a try.

Kat said...

To the Anons- If you really care about Debbie why dont you tell her these things in person? Dont be such a coward. I actually agree with your points about some poor choices she may have made, but we are all human. We are also not judges! I dont give her advice,because she is not asking for it. When I was younger and made some poor choices, I didnt listen to anyone. I had to learn on my own. Please do not question her upbringing and the values that she was taught in her church! Just because your child does something wrong, does that mean you failed as a parent? That comment really pissed me off!!!

Kat said...

Kinda of funny I posted after I had only read down halfway- I got sick of the anons I guess, I see someone already beat em to it!

Itworksforbobbi said...

Hey, Debbi

I just want to hug you! Wow - you really know how to lead a dramatic life! I can speak from experience when I say that you never know what you will do in any situation. Thankfully things seemed to work out okay, and I'm grateful that you and your children were safe. I think you did the right thing by calling his family and the police. I'm not going to question your judgement because who knows what I would have done in your exact situation.

I do agree that exposing small children to these things isn't the best idea, but I think you handled it as best as you could in the end. The Lord gives us experiences so we can develop the ability to make correct choices. I'm sure you've learned and grown through this, and who knows what event in the future this could be preparing you for. I pray, though, in the future that you will get to experience relationships with men who truly respect you (as, based soley on what I've read, I don't believe the men you are talking about have behaved respectfully towards you). You deserve the best, Debbi, because you are such an outstanding person.

Love you!

Anonymous said...

HOLY CRAP! If I found out you had my children in your dayhome with a drug addict,
I'd be livid! Who do yo think you are....endangering other people's children. Who knows what he could have done. Drug addicts act spontaneously and unpredictable. Maybe in the past he was a great guy that wouldn't hurt anyone, but when he's on drugs he is most likely a different person all together. You should reconsider looking after other peoples' children until your judgement clears up.

Debbi said...

Yep, we get it, Anon. You're pissed at my choices. You think I'm a horrible dayhome provider. You are perfect.. yada yada. We get it, really!

But, in case you didn't notice, we're SOOOO past this! Like, thanks for catching up, but seriously, I'm so done with this. it was sooo last month!

Glad you felt the need to voice another useless anonymous comment. Cuz yours was something I'm DEFINITELY gonna hold close to my heart, THIS long after the fact, and after a million other blog entries talking about it.

Thanks for coming out. There's the door. Don't let it hit ya where the good Lord split ya!